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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:07 am 
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Hey Jem, remember it is typical for weight loss to slow as the fast is lengthened. Trust me, I had the same experience. It's actually a good thing, as the body has a built in conservation mode, for survival. While fasting you are conserving energy, the metabolism slows down. As the fat reserves are used up, the body naturally conserves it self and it's vital organs. Hey, if it didn't many of us fasting would just up and fade away, right? :shock:

So, reassess your journey, you are in deeper stages of fasting now, and could go deeper with water only, that's why longer fasting is not advised with out monitoring by a professional. They check your stats/potassium levels, and other vitals, and guide you appropriately. So if you feel the need to stop, just do it right, like the book says. For every day fasting take half the time to transition. So for example if you fasted 24 days take at least 12 to transition. I think that is the formula mentioned by some experienced here if i remember that correctly. Actually, the longer we take to transition out of a fast, the better, as too much food too soon, negates the benefits we fasted for in the first place. Make sense?

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Detoxification Stages
Here is an overview of the detoxification stages during a juice fast. The time periods are a general estimation:

Stage 1 (Day 1 To Day 2)
On the first day of fasting, the blood sugar level drops below 70 mg/dl. To restore the blood to the normal glucose level, liver glycogen is converted to glucose and released into the blood. This reserve is enough for half a day. The body then reduces the basal metabolic rate (BMR). The rate of internal chemical activity in resting tissue is lowered to conserve energy. The heart slows and blood pressure is reduced. Glycogen is pulled from the muscle causing some weakness. The first wave of cleansing is usually the worst.

Headaches, dizziness, nausea, bad breath, glazed eyes and a heavily coated tongue are signs of the first stage of cleansing. Hunger can be the most intense in this period unless the enema is used which quickly assists the body into the fasting state by ending digestion in the colon.

Stage 2 (Day 3 To Day 7) Fats, composed of transformed fatty acids, are broken down to release glycerol from the gliceride molecules and are converted to glucose. The skin may become oily as rancid oils are purged from the body. People with problem-free skin may have a few days of pimples or even a boil. A pallid complexion is also a sign of waste in the blood. Ketones are formed by the incomplete oxidation of fats. It is suspected that the ketones in the blood suppress the appetite by affecting the food-satiety center in the hypothalamus. You may feel hungry for the first few days of the fast. This effect is temporary. The desire to eat will disappear. Lack of hunger may last 40 to 60 days, depending on whether you are on water or juice.

The body embraces the fast and the digestive system is able to take a much-needed rest, focusing all of its energies on cleansing and healing. White blood cell and immune system activity increases. You may feel pain in your lungs. The cleansing organs and the lungs are in the process of being repaired. Periodically, the lymphatic system expels mucoid matter through the nose or throat. The volume excreted of this yellow-colored mucus can be shocking. The sinuses go through periods of being clogged, then will totally clear. The breath is still foul and the tongue coated. Within the intestine, the colon is being repaired and impacted feces on the intestinal wall start to loosen.

Stage 3 (Day 8 to Day 15)
On the latter part of an extended fast, you can experience enhanced energy, clear-mindedness and feel better than you have felt since childhood. On the downside, old injuries may become irritated and painful. This is a result of the body's increased ability to heal during fasting. If you had broken your arm 10 years before, there is scar tissue around the break. At the time of the break, the body's ability to heal was directly related to lifestyle. If you lived on a junk-food diet, the body's natural healing ability was compromised.

During fasting, the body's healing process is at optimum efficiency. As the body scours for dead or damaged tissue, the lymphocytes enter the older, damaged tissue secreting substances to dissolve the damaged cells. These substances irritate the nerves in the surrounding region and cause a reoccurrence of aches from previously injured areas that may have disappeared years earlier. The pain is good as the body is completing the healing process. The muscles may become tight and sore due to toxin irritation. The legs can be the worst affected, as toxins accumulate in the legs. Cankers are common in this stage due to the excessive bacteria in the mouth. Daily gargling with salt and water will prevent or heal cankers.

Stage 4 (Day 16 to Day 30) The body is completely adapted to the fasting process. There is more energy and clarity of mind. Cleansing periods can be short with many days of feeling good in between. There are days when the tongue is pink and the breath is fresh. The healing work of the organs is being completed. After the detoxification mechanisms have removed the causative agent or render it harmless, the body works at maximum capacity in tissue proliferation to replace damaged tissue. While a short fast will reduce the symptoms, a longer fast can completely heal. Homeostatic balance is at optimum levels. The lymphatic system is clean except for a rare discharge of mucus through the nose or throat. After day 20, the mind is affected. Heightened clarity and emotional balance are felt at this time. Memory and concentration improve.

Stage 5 (Breaking the Fast)
The sticky, toxic, mucoid coating on the intestinal wall is loose, and the first meal frees it from the intestinal wall. Toxins enter the blood through the colon. The gallbladder dumps its waste in a heavy discharge of bile. This can cause an instant bowel movement upon eating followed by intense diarrhea. If the symptoms are too uncomfortable, an enema will help.


Autolysis
After fasting for several days, the body goes into a condition known as "autolysis". This is when the body starts to feed on itself because you are giving it no solid food to feed off of. Fortunately, the body in it's brilliant design feeds on only the weak, diseased, dying, or dead cells. All of the vital organs, the heart, liver, kidneys, and the brain are spared and because of the absence of all of the sickly cells in your body, your vitals are actually rejuvinated and made healthier because of the clean bloodstream and unadulterated oxygen now circulating throughout your body.

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 Post subject: Re: ~> JemisonLuck's Master Cleanse Journey <~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:15 am 
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BTW Jem, are you still having the leg cramps and nausea?

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 Post subject: Re: ~> JemisonLuck's Master Cleanse Journey <~
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:59 am 
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Thank you Chrissy for that post, thats really helpful. I am still really overweight, so do you think it matters as believe me my body still has a lot of fat cells to consume :lol:

You know I think I may do a water day on, water day off, water day on etc. What do you think? I need something to shake my body up a bit. My nausea has gone away, but the legs cramps havent, although it is bearable now. Before I couldnt even walk up my stairs.

It is funny you say that about the transitioning period as I am sure I have heard that before. Stanley Burrough's says 3-5 days or have I misread.

How are you Chrissy? Its nice to have someone to talk too, I feel really fed up today.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:41 am 
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Jem, you are in a special state of mind now, deep into the fasting process. Water fasting is the ultimate healing method, so yes, go ahead and use it if it feels right for you, though you should be reminded long fasts are best done with a fasting monitor. How much prior experience do you have fasting, and studying fasting, may i ask?

RE; breaking the fast, Burroughs recommends 3-5 days which is half of the 10-day MC. so it's the same thing, take half of the time fasting to transition. Do what's best for you. Be very determined to break this long fast carefully and u will prosper. :D

More from Shiva:

Just remember each day we stay on our fasts we say, The time is now, the place is here. We stay in the present. When we fast we don't do it mediocre. Mediocrity is the devil's dilemma. Either do it whole heartedly or don't do it all. We get off the fence when we fast, and take a stand. For mediocrity is a lukewarm tea, the devil's own brew.

One can soon lose sight of self and which way to go in this world pretty easily. With a McDonald's on every corner, just behind the Taco Hell, it's no wonder many of us feel so powerless to over come the karma of our collective unconsciousness! Fasting wakes us up. We need to become indignant at all the ignorance of the world and the unconsciousness of humanity. The way we mistreat our bodies, is so very sad. There is a beauty that lies in surrendering to fasting. It's a feminine humility that calls to wounded souls, saying, "Help me, heal my heart", we cry! The Spirit of Surrender whispers to us while we fast by way of our visions and dreams.

When we fast we can find the nature of our greatest self. Organize your fast around your spirit. Not your drama! Be careful to realize what is on your mind when you fast. Have you been looking at your process through the eyes of your spirit, or your ego, which is powerless? Notice the different vibrations. How can you organize your life around your fast, so that your spirit leads? So that you can absolutely be in charge?


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Hey Jem!!!

How are you feeling? I'm assuming you're on day 25 now (or around there somewhere?), so, you're almost to day 30!!! :) I can't wait till i'm there :)

I hope you've found some stuff on the internet to help with those leg cramps, I actually had some very very mild ones yesterday :P

You're doing so well, you're being so strong, you're almost there!!! :D

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Hi Pegasus, yes its Day 25 today. I am very happy about that as I didnt think I could get this far.

Although, feeling really down in myself today. I have no idea how to eat after coming off this cleanse, bought some vegetarian books as I was so sure that this is what I want to do but the more I watch the veggie propapganda it just scares the living daylights out of me and makes me think that if I slip up or decide to change my mind and eat meat again I am going to die of bower cancer. My head feels well and truely screwed today.

I am all for living a really healthy life after this cleanse with occasional treats, and I really want to exercise at least 5 times a week now as I have been too sedentary.

I wanted to be vegetarian for the animals as I always cry when I think about what they must go through, but I just dont want to feel restricted in what I eat?
I did a water day yesterday, and a water day today. Total weight loss to date 25lbs, I have not lost any weight for the last few days though. Im hoping the scales drop again tomorrow.


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Hi Jem, you are an inspiration of determination.Each day is a blessing on the fast. :P

Well, as far as eating again, do your research, make a plan, stick to it. My best counsel for ya :mrgreen:

Are u going to 30 days? remember then to take half of that to transition. Not easy, but a good goal.

What are some positive affects and feelings you have about your experience on this fast?

Please share,

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:17 pm 
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Hi Chrissy, thank you for checking on me..

Well its Day 26 today, wow, wow, wow! How did I get here? :lol:

As it stands I am just going to 30, but depending on how I feel, I might just do the extra 10 days to 40 and leave it at that.

I was sick again yesterday, and I still have my leg cramps but I now know this is the result of the toxins in my body. I am simply going with it, because I need to do this for me.

Chrissy, re: words of wisdom. The biggest thing this cleanse has taught me is how powerful I feel when I am in control of what I put in my body. It is so empowering.

True happiness is impossible without true health. True health is impossible without the rigid control of the palate. A genuine fast cleanses the body, mind and soul."- Gandhi

I get days where, the desire to eat is so overwhelming that all I want to do is welcome this feeling, I cant quite explain it but its like I acknowledge it but never act on it. I realise that I am a very strong person, because the last two days has just been water only and I have felt exactly the same as I do on the lemonade so I dont know what that's all about! I may do today on just water as well, I havent made my mind up yet. I am not eliminating very much now though, but I am relectuant to do SWF as my body retains it sometimes. This has been such an rewarding journey for me, I was fat, depressed, and felt weak, but now I feel like I can achieve anything and I have the cleanse to thank for that. I now realise that I dont really have that much interest for food, now isnt that an epiphany for the masses? As I havent really craved anything during this cleanse, which means that before I was eating out of boredom and comfort. Now, I let myself feel my feelings, and I let myself feel pain. Never again, will I suffocate my pain with food. If I really want to eat something, I will get my hummus and cucumber out of the fridge and munch that instead of the carcinogenic fried foods I would eat almost daily! YUCK. I made up my mind to go vegetarian after this diet today, I feel like I want a compassionate diet, because I am a compassionate person. I am hoping to start my training next year to be a midwife, and I really appreciate the beauty of life, therefore killing an animal for the purpose of my enjoyment doesnt fit with my principles anymore. The Master Cleanse has truely been a gift to me. I will stay here and do a post cleanse journal so you can see how I get on as I am intending on doing at least 2-3 weeks non processed, just fruit and veg, the following week I will probably slowly add a bit of dairy but this is how I am going to eat for the rest of my life so its not going to be a diet. Obviously, I will have my treats occasionally but I will never eat it everyday. My next cleanse after this, will be Jan 2013. I will simply do a 10 day maintenance cleanse.


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You are a stong person Jem, just look at the obstacles you have had to overcome. When we have reactions to fasting, they can be scarey. It takes courage to continue, looking at the bigger picture, trusting in our own judgements as to which way to go when we meet discouraging side effects of detox. You mentioned you had no cravings on this fast, wow, great and rare for most of us.

I too relish the empowerment of the fast. We stop stuffing our feelings and face them head on. When I fast I always go through emotional detox along with the physical detox. We also seem to have more time and clarity which lends itself to making plans for change. It could be all kinds of plans, not just what are we going to eat.......change in career, relationships, goals.......etc.

I like your quote from ghandi, that "true health is impossible with out the rigid control of the palate", what a powerful but true statement. There must be a way to continue the feeling of the fast while eating, I haven't found the way yet, does any one here have an idea how to do that?

Re: midwifry, wow, I started classes for homebirth training. And yes, i had all my 3 children at home, it was awesome.I didn't follow through to become a midwife, but learned a lot just doing it first hand. :P Wishing you success with that, what a wonderful career, lot's of joy there.

Sorry you are still suffering, my pain is subsiding thank God, wishing you relief very soon :!:

Thanks for sharing, really enjoyed it. It's so motivating to get to know so many great people on this forum and making cyber friends like you and everyone here :D :o :? 8) :P :cry: :wink: :roll: :mrgreen:


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Wow Jem and Chrissy, the last few posts have been very insightful and inspirational :)

First and foremost, Jem I'm glad your cramps aren't that bad. Day 26 already!!! You're almost to day 30! (and if you want to go further, go ahead right ahead!)

I was actually vegetarian for 5 years, I just didn't believe it was right to kill animals so much, when we have so many other sources of protein. I admire you for keeping what you think, what you say, and what you do, all in harmony:) Always be true to yourself

I love how fasting makes me feel so free and effortless :) Food (the bad kind) is like a drug... you get that high when you're eating it, but feel HORRIBLE afterwards... but since we must eat, and can't just abstain from eating... we simply need to work on building a good relationship with food. It's like with people. Stay away from the ones who are bad for you, and bring you misery, and only keep the healthy relationships. Lol.

Ok, well, have a great day tomorrow!!

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Thank you so much everyone,

Guess what, I am losing weight again -2lbs overnight!! :D So 26lbs minimum weight loss in 26 days. I could have been more than my starting weight as I didnt weigh myself when I started. So my original weight was a weight I took from a weighing 2 weeks previously. Very happy.

Pegasus, do you mind if I ask why you stopped being veggie?


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Jemison, that's GREAT about the weight loss!!!! I'm still scared to weigh myself, I look like I've stalled

Well, I stopped being vegetarian, not because I like meat (which I do), but meat is the only food that really satisfies my hunger and gives me long-lasting energy.... eggs definitely help, but not as much as tuna or chicken. Red meat I don't eat, because I can't digest it well. When I was vegetarian, I remember always being hungry, and having cravings... I tried eating a lot of beans, dairy, but that just doesn't do it for me... that's why I believe that some people are suited for a vegetarian diet, and others are not. It really depends on your body type and your metabolism. I am a "fast oxidizer" (I think that's how it's spelled) meaning that I do well on a diet that is high in protein and fat, but low in carbs.

I still feel quite guilty though... for me, killing animals and eating them is just "wrong" in my head... and just saying this is making me doubt my decision to eat meat.... I've always wanted to try a raw food diet, so maybe that's what I will do after I've reached my goal weight.

I like how Native Indians, when they killed an animal for it's meat, they would say a prayer, and thank the animal. I wish everyone had that much respect towards animals.

Well, yeah just my thoughts on this whole issue :)

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Thank you Pegasus,

Its Day 27 today, and I will do lemonade today as the last 3 days have been water only. Unfortnately, I am getting sickness a lot, well its a wave of nausea all day and my legs are still cramping although its not too painful I am just coping the best that I can. I guess I am really toxic, because I drink a lot of fluids!

Re Vegetarianism: Well I thought I knew what I was doing, but I was reading something from Ani Phyo today, she is a raw foodist chef and the quote was " extremes causes stress " well aint that the truth! I realised that as much as I care for the animals, I dont think an all or nothing approach is for me right now. I have decided to adopt an 80%-90% vegetarian diet, with the remainder consisting of meat, and allowing myself to have a little treat every now and again not every day like I was before. I used to eat meat/chicken etc at least 3/4 times a day everyday, over the course of the week, thats a whole lot of animal! By consuming animal products, once or even twice a week, from locally sourced ethical farm raised animals will mean that I am still saving a lot of animals. I know the animals still have to die for me to be able to enjoy them, and the decision to eat meat is a choice and not a neccessity, but I just dont believe that being a vegetarian, vegan or raw foodist will save the planet. There are much bigger issues at stake in this world, I just want to ensure I can make a positive contribution and ensure that the little meat I do have I am grateful for rather than taking these animals for granted 3-4 times a day. I feel sick when I think back to how I used to eat now. It really was not on!. I like the thought of incorporating a combination of the three diets, but really enjoying the sense of pride I feel by watching what I eat for once. I just dont think that any diet is perfect and we have to do what is best for us. I feel better without the label of " vegetarian " and more than likely I will want to eat predominately vegetarian anyway, but by not labelling myself I no longer have the pressure and I think thats key to my success. I want the freedom and the control to choose healthy, nutritious food for myself and I know I can do it. I mean hey, if I an go nearly 30 days without food I can do anything!


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Hey!!!

Love your way of thinking.

It's true. If being 100% vegetarian would make you feel deprived, then you will have difficulty maintaining it. Bottom line is, we have to find a lifestyle that is healthy, will help us maintain a low weight... but at the same time, that keeps us satisfied... I have that all-or-nothing way of thinking sometimes... it's very self-destructive.

I also eat only organic ethically raised meat, and never have any processed meat (I know what's in there!). It really is a shame how a lot of people take meat for granted, and take FOOD for granted, when there are people in the world starving to death. Part of the reason why I feel guilty being chubby... it's like... the food I ate to gain this much weight, could have saved so many lives... eeek!

Anyways, enough rambling for me lol

Wow, day 27 already! You're almost to day 30! I feel so far away. Today was difficult, I really wanted food :S

Well, I hope the cramping goes away (but i'm glad you feel better).... can't wait to see you accomplish your 30-day mark (or even more like you mentioned).....you go girl!!!!

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Thank you Pegasus,yesterday was a day of cravings for me too. I literally wanted to eat every animal I could think of, not good. :( I went to bed, thinking about chips (American Fries) and curry sauce. :lol:

I lost another 2lbs today, this water fasting is dope (is that what they say in America? :lol: ) So total weight loss minimum 28lbs I was sick again this morning but I am actually getting used to it believe it or not.. :? I can keep water down though, its not all day..just maybe once in the evening or morning. Laxative tea does nothing for my eliminations now, so will have to go back to SWF in the morning. Cant believe I am so close to 30!


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