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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:25 am 
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I read in another thread that this person added taking a liquid vitamin. Has anyone else done this? I know in the book it says you get "all you need" but it seems on an intuitive level that there must be many vitamins & minerals missing during the MC. If it's a liquid wouldn't it have little or no impact on the MC process? Any thoughts or experiences? THANKS!

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Hi...that was my thread....

I use a natural liquid vitamin/mineral IN LIEU of the maple syrup to save calories...it doesn't get washed away any more than the minerals in the maple syrup would...I use a liquid because anything solid would activate the digestive process (which we don't want to do) ....I found that I felt better with the liquid supplement than with the syrup...it was also less expensive in the long run...

I used the syrup in the beginning...but it is my opinion that if you are going for the long haul ( I did 3 weeks each time and will do 40 in January) the liquid supplement is better. it is important to get ALL your juice in if you are using the supplement...8 to 12 glasses...

I researched several fasting sites for my information...and no.. natural LIQUID supplements DO NOT adversely affect the cleanse because they do not add toxins OR activate digestion.

I hope this helps.

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Thanks Loren! So either/or but not both...


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well...technically I guess you could use both...but there would be no point really...I just wanted to save calories...maple syrup has LOTS of calories and they are mostly empty calories...it DOES contain minerals and such but only in trace amounts...thats why I prefer the supplement (natural only) for a longer cleanse. the supplement should be minerals AND vitamins.

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Thanks Loren! Say...I saw you were part of the 11/27 "Brigade". Are you still on the MC? Is that group still going?


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in-ter-es-ting (first time hearing about this)...

loren- how much of the liquid vitamin would you use? same amount to replace the maple syrup? can you suggest any brands?

oh, how does it taste? and what differences did you feel compared to the syrup?

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how it tastes depends on what you buy....I don't know what difference I felt...maybe less sluggish and tired...you use what it says onthe bottle;all vitamins come in different strengths....you can go to your local health food store and choose wht looks best and most complete for you...

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SHC wrote:
Thanks Loren! Say...I saw you were part of the 11/27 "Brigade". Are you still on the MC? Is that group still going?


I will be on th MC again in January..

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startingover wrote:
how it tastes depends on what you buy....I don't know what difference I felt...maybe less sluggish and tired...you use what it says onthe bottle;all vitamins come in different strengths....you can go to your local health food store and choose wht looks best and most complete for you...


loren- Are you going to use the liquid vitamins in January for your 40 days?.. i was just wondering if it's as safe as the maple syrup to go for a long period of time. I'm thinking of doing 40 days in January, too, depending on how things play out the rest of this holiday.

I know that you've done the MC often and the times you've done it were not far apart, mayba a month or so in between. Did you go through the cleansing process each time? Like the mucus stage and the rest of the phases? Because I heard that once your body is de-toxified, is takes at least three or so months to get 'dirty' again, in time for anoher cleanse...


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I would have some tremendous reservations about substituting for all carbohydrates not provided by lemons for such an extended period of time. Even using the Atkins program, they encourage people to intake a minimal amount of carbs for sustenance purposes (I want to say about 15 or 20grams at a minimum). Also, I'm very concerned about the increase in cravings that might occur as a result of not using any carbs. I used 1/2 of what I was supposed to one day of maple syrup (MS), and within 2 hours after I started the day, I felt very tired and hungry. I increased the MS to where it was supposed to be and within 15 minutes, I was fine. Just my thoughts, though.

PS. the amount of sugar (not carbs) you are taking in from lemons is only 1/2 gram per serving of lemonade.

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it is possible to water fast for 40 days....so leaving out the maple syrup won't make that much difference...in fact leaving it out can keep your blood sugar and insulin levels from fluctuating which in turn lessens cravings...also ketone levels rise which also lessens appetite...believe me...maple syrup is not so powerful a substance as to make that much difference in a long term fast....just ask Jesus or Moses....

maple syrup is mostly empty calories....the carbs are simple carbs (sugar)not complex carbs...nothing there to sustain you in the long run....the minerals are present only in trace amounts.....I prefer to eliminate the calories...but really you should do what works for you...

yes I plan to use the supplement for my 40 days.....a fasting trick that I know is if you start feeling woozy or dizzy after 10 or 14 days...you can allow to melt in you mouth a sliver of banana or avocado (only a sliver) this will help to keep electrolytes in balance and will alleviate the nausea and dizziness...not immediately..it takes about 30 minutes or so... the sliver of banana or avocado is so easily digestible that it does not disrupt the fast or cleansing process and it works like magic...anyway...thats a trick from my old water fasting days...

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I would never advocate or go on either of those types of diets, but to each his/her own. We know from the Atkins studies that once you trick your body into burning fat in absentia of carbs, your body becomes that much more efficient at creating fat once you go off of the diet, and permanently remains that efficient. I can only imagine what would happen were you to do it for 40 days in a row, especially if you are doing this to achieve a marked level of weight loss and are prone to cravings and a slow metabolism. I picture also a very unique set of physiological changes to the body over 40 days in absence of any simple or slightly complex carbohydrates that may not adjust back to the way they were (ie, fast twitch to slow twitch muscle, etc.) which probably is of no consequence to the average sendentary person, but would be significantly detrimental to someone who is even borderline athletic.

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bdk wrote:
I would never advocate or go on either of those types of diets, but to each his/her own. We know from the Atkins studies that once you trick your body into burning fat in absentia of carbs, your body becomes that much more efficient at creating fat once you go off of the diet, and permanently remains that efficient. I can only imagine what would happen were you to do it for 40 days in a row, especially if you are doing this to achieve a marked level of weight loss and are prone to cravings and a slow metabolism. I picture also a very unique set of physiological changes to the body over 40 days in absence of any simple or slightly complex carbohydrates that may not adjust back to the way they were (ie, fast twitch to slow twitch muscle, etc.) which probably is of no consequence to the average sendentary person, but would be significantly detrimental to someone who is even borderline athletic.


well...a fast is not a diet...it's a fast....whether it's a juice fast or water fast or a Master Cleanse...they are ALL FASTS ...not diets....I wouldn't recommend a fast of any kind just for weight loss purposes with the possible exception of liquid protein ...and as everyone knows...the weight comes back on when you go back to your old eating patterns...I think a fast or cleanse is a great precursor to a healthy, lowfat, high protein, high fiber weight loss program...

you will achieve benign dietary ketosis either way...thru fasting OR high protein diets...

you will achieve ketosis even quicker thru any kind of fast INCLUDING the MC. there is no avoiding that..it will definitely happen...

at any rate I have fasted long term both ways and I have found that I suffer less physically using a natural liquid supplement as opposed to the syrup which kinda makes me sick after awhile...why? because it is pure sugar...the supplement has a healthful dose of key nutrients and I feel better and look better...I am better able to stay on the cleanse because of it...it is a personal decision...whatever works for you....I will listen to my body and do what feels right...

anyone who chooses to supplement while fasting should choose an organic all natural liquid supplement with a cellular delivery system. you can find these in you local natural food store.

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anyone who chooses to supplement while fasting should choose an organic all natural liquid supplement with a cellular delivery system. you can find these in you local natural food store.
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loren- does it say -cellular delivery system- on the bottle? because i can't find any bottle that has that on the lable. ones i found are called -liquid health- and -nature's plus- can you recommend any brands?


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Arlene wrote:
anyone who chooses to supplement while fasting should choose an organic all natural liquid supplement with a cellular delivery system. you can find these in you local natural food store.
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loren- does it say -cellular delivery system- on the bottle? because i can't find any bottle that has that on the lable. ones i found are called -liquid health- and -nature's plus- can you recommend any brands?


if you use a whole food type of liquid supplement that would be fine...basically it just refers to how biologically available the nutrients are...a natural whole food (ie from sea veggies for example) supplement would do the job....as oppsed to "man made" supplements...

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